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leadership roles is the fact paul ryan had a b-plan to stay in his spot. what does it mean for him moving forward? >> paul ryannues to be the chairman of the house budget committee which matters. because ofhe fiscal cliff. and because of the fy-13 or 2013 appropriations which have now been moved to next year. he make himself? is he going to be m the table at the white house like he was in august of 2011 when he very much pushed back against the white house and the will be player. but i think he may not try to be in your face as you might expect. >> expect him to talk about the fiscal cliff today. do you buy it? >> i like speaker boehner. he's old school. but i think he has a caucus heels. i don't know that he'll do that or won't. >> great to have you here. thank you so much. >>> something to keep you up to speed on because we are watching it. this possibility of a adding insult to injury on the eastern seaboard. now for this bad weather. today this storm could dump up to a foot of snow and bring more flooding to coastal g@areas. more than 1200 flights hav
leadership roles is the fact paul ryan had a b-plan to stay in his spot. what does it mean for him moving forward? >> paul ryannues to be the chairman of the house budget committee which matters. because ofhe fiscal cliff. and because of the fy-13 or 2013 appropriations which have now been moved to next year. he make himself? is he going to be m the table at the white house like he was in august of 2011 when he very much pushed back against the white house and the will be player. but i...
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>> you know, i think paul ryan is a really ambitious guy. i totally agree with lawrence. he's not going to be president. but i think he's going to give it a shot. and it will be interesting to see how far he moves away from the paul ryan that voters came to know and not particularly love of this campaign versus the paul ryan, whoever that is, that he tries to become in the next four years. but i think he's going to be in there. >> stuart stevens who ran the campaign for romney was on television this morning saying he thinks, you know, now that he thinks of it, they should have done a better job trying to reach out to minorities and to women. he thinks maybe reaching out to women in a better way is good. let's take a look at the republican convention and how they reached out to women. >> i love you women! >> so anna marie, what? what did they leave out? what is stewart stevens talking about? >> well, you know, i do feel loved. so that's something. but i don't feel respected or that my needs are met or that my rights are really paid attention to. i think the republican part
>> you know, i think paul ryan is a really ambitious guy. i totally agree with lawrence. he's not going to be president. but i think he's going to give it a shot. and it will be interesting to see how far he moves away from the paul ryan that voters came to know and not particularly love of this campaign versus the paul ryan, whoever that is, that he tries to become in the next four years. but i think he's going to be in there. >> stuart stevens who ran the campaign for romney was...
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the paul ryan budget passed a pretty big test. we had to run around the country and defend it. the ryan budget proved itself a viable platform on which to run and be reelected. wow. just to reiterate, this is what happened on election night. how does this constitute the ryan budget passing a big test. it took a big test but it did not pass that test, two very deficit things. the lesson of this election for republicans appears to be all that stuff we ran on, it totally worked. think about what determines what the republican party does next. what determines how they fix their political problems. the question of who is going to be the new face of the republican party and how they will course correct after this disastrously bad election for them, it all depends how they assess what just went wrong and why it went so wrong. what do they think their problem is that caused the country to reject them so emphatically in 2012. the signs how their self-assessment is going so far are not promising. wednesday, the day after the election, mr. romney had breakfast with some of his richest don
the paul ryan budget passed a pretty big test. we had to run around the country and defend it. the ryan budget proved itself a viable platform on which to run and be reelected. wow. just to reiterate, this is what happened on election night. how does this constitute the ryan budget passing a big test. it took a big test but it did not pass that test, two very deficit things. the lesson of this election for republicans appears to be all that stuff we ran on, it totally worked. think about what...
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paul ryan is casting his ballot. he gets to vote -- he is one of these people that gets to vote twice. a lot of you would like to vote twice. he does get to do it for himself twice because he is also running for re-election. south carolina democratic congressman jim clymer. good morning to you. >> good morning. thank you so much for having me. >> i want to start with sort of a question i had to david plouffe. what does it say about america that maybe they'll re-elect a democratic president but it may be that republicans not just get re-elected to run to chrome the house, they may gain seats. what does that say to you? what message are they sending about governing in washington, d.c.? >> well, i think they will maintain the status quo. i've seen polls forever that talked about how low esteem people have for members of congress. but when they started talking about their personal congress person it's a little bit different. and so we run 435 separate elections and if you don't create some kind of a wave effect, which ha
paul ryan is casting his ballot. he gets to vote -- he is one of these people that gets to vote twice. a lot of you would like to vote twice. he does get to do it for himself twice because he is also running for re-election. south carolina democratic congressman jim clymer. good morning to you. >> good morning. thank you so much for having me. >> i want to start with sort of a question i had to david plouffe. what does it say about america that maybe they'll re-elect a democratic...
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paul ryan to do since he's not going to be vice president. what they want paul ryan to do once he and mitt romney lose the election next week. i sort of can't believe it didn't get more attention when it came out yesterday afternoon. not only must it have caused some dyspepsia inside the romney campaign but it's also the purest and most direct rebuttal of that campaign's rather heroic efforts right now to project some superhuman confidence about how much they supposedly think they are going to win on tuesday. joining us is a man who is in the business of knowing who is going to win, nate silver, editor of the 538 calculus blog for "the new york times." he's also the author of the book "the signal and the noise" why most predictions fail, but some don't. thank you for being here. >> thank you, rachel. >> a lot of headlines say that since mitt romney is going to pennsylvania, that must mean that pennsylvania is in play. from the numbers, do you believe pennsylvania is in play? >> you had the list of 24 polls and none had romney ahead. there hav
paul ryan to do since he's not going to be vice president. what they want paul ryan to do once he and mitt romney lose the election next week. i sort of can't believe it didn't get more attention when it came out yesterday afternoon. not only must it have caused some dyspepsia inside the romney campaign but it's also the purest and most direct rebuttal of that campaign's rather heroic efforts right now to project some superhuman confidence about how much they supposedly think they are going to...
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paul ryan is spending a ton of money to save his seat. he could be a two-time loser on tuesday night. we're right back. stay with us. [ thunder crashes ] [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeowners insurance protects them. [ thunder crashes ] it doesn't. stop pretending. only flood insurance covers floods. ♪ visit floodsmart.gov/pretend to learn your risk. >>> mitt romney is attempting to chip away at president obama's lead in the state of wisconsin. romney held a campaign event earlier today and gave what his campaign called a closing argument to voters. he was introduced by scott walker who tried to spin wisconsin poll numbers on fox news today. >> it's now a toss up. >> it really is. in poll after poll it's about as close a tie as you can get. the polls out there most importantly the poll that's conducted on tuesday. >> walker is talking about the polls by the right leaning pollster rasmussen. president obama is leading by eight points in the latest poll from marquett
paul ryan is spending a ton of money to save his seat. he could be a two-time loser on tuesday night. we're right back. stay with us. [ thunder crashes ] [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeowners insurance protects them. [ thunder crashes ] it doesn't. stop pretending. only flood insurance covers floods. ♪ visit floodsmart.gov/pretend to learn your risk. >>> mitt romney is attempting to chip away at president...
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and finally there's paul ryan on the urban vote. let's listen to paul ryan and his looking at this whole ethnic, or urban vote he calls it. >> we were surprised with the outcome. we knew this was going to be a close race. we thought we had a very good chance of winning it. i think the surprise was some of the turnout. some of the turnout in especially urban areas which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> you know, ashley, they got to get their accusations straight. somebody on -- one of the leaders of the republican party out there in wisconsin said all the votes were fraudulent votes, they were all stolen. and now he's out there, the presidential candidate, saying they were all bought. and now this guy is -- i have to say to paul ryan, he was just surprised they showed up. he hasn't quite figured out the motive yet. >> i think the romney campaign obviously didn't take into account the huge turnout that the president got. that was one of the problems with their polling. >> is that why they're looking
and finally there's paul ryan on the urban vote. let's listen to paul ryan and his looking at this whole ethnic, or urban vote he calls it. >> we were surprised with the outcome. we knew this was going to be a close race. we thought we had a very good chance of winning it. i think the surprise was some of the turnout. some of the turnout in especially urban areas which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> you know, ashley, they got to get their...
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mitt romney and paul ryan -- don't forget paul ryan is still out there lurking about somewhere. >> speaker boehner says he will be involved in the discussions with the president. >> and they made a very strong ideological case on their side that you got to, you know, lower tax rates for all, don't worry as much about the deficit, the revenues will come in, and we have to get rid of the social safety net the way it's been, and cut spending, slash spending dramatically. it was very divided policywise and barack obama won pretty handily. >> a week after the election john boehner, speaker boehner, does a press statement and he says we're not going to raise revenues. we should look at loopholes and deductions. >> one thing that hasn't changed and you can put on as many senate republicans as you want looking reasonable. what hasn't changed is the tea party caucus in the house. they've lost a few members, but they're still a majority and john boehner has to find some way to get something past them. that's why i doubt there will be a christmastime deal. i think the president is going to have to le
mitt romney and paul ryan -- don't forget paul ryan is still out there lurking about somewhere. >> speaker boehner says he will be involved in the discussions with the president. >> and they made a very strong ideological case on their side that you got to, you know, lower tax rates for all, don't worry as much about the deficit, the revenues will come in, and we have to get rid of the social safety net the way it's been, and cut spending, slash spending dramatically. it was very...
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he announced paul ryan as his running mate but that didn't produce the bump he needed. as the focus of the race turned to medicare and the ryan budget. the republican convention was disrupted by weather and a guy talking to an empty chair. and then mid september, the leaked video of mitt romney's 47% remark surfaced. the first presidential debate, romney bested obama in front of 66 million people and began to benefit from mement tum. and then hurricane sandy hit. on tuesday romney will try to unseat an incumbent president, he's trying to knock a party out of power after just one term. while the president is targeting each part of his coalition with a handful of small arguments, romney is counting on winning the large one. >> he made a lot of promises, but those promises he couldn't keep. and the difference between us, he made promises he couldn't keep, i'm making promises i have kept and i will keep them for the american people. >> so where does that leave us? the two campaigns believe passionately in two different realities. the president obama campaign believes the co
he announced paul ryan as his running mate but that didn't produce the bump he needed. as the focus of the race turned to medicare and the ryan budget. the republican convention was disrupted by weather and a guy talking to an empty chair. and then mid september, the leaked video of mitt romney's 47% remark surfaced. the first presidential debate, romney bested obama in front of 66 million people and began to benefit from mement tum. and then hurricane sandy hit. on tuesday romney will try to...
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when they first brought in paul ryan and started to make that attack, and it's not. and it it tetells me this will more of an issue going forward. >> of all the battlegrounds, i'm just not that worried about florida. for romney. you know, real clear has him up a couple points. but i think it looks as if the obama campaign is a little nervous about florida, as michael was telling us, you know, they're not going back to florida except once, which may mean that they're kind of writing it off. you have florida democrats asking governor rick scott to extend early voting because i think they know that it's working, and they want some more of it. and then just anecdotally, debbie wassermann schultz was apparently out in the streets arguing with a police officer in front of a polling station the other day. >> i wouldn't mess with her. >> no, you shouldn't. it seems like they're a little worried about florida. and again, not based on polling because i know there's polls that say both things. but i feel solid about florida for romney. >> yeah, i'd say they see it not as their
when they first brought in paul ryan and started to make that attack, and it's not. and it it tetells me this will more of an issue going forward. >> of all the battlegrounds, i'm just not that worried about florida. for romney. you know, real clear has him up a couple points. but i think it looks as if the obama campaign is a little nervous about florida, as michael was telling us, you know, they're not going back to florida except once, which may mean that they're kind of writing it...
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it's consistent with paul ryan's 30% comment. it's consistent not just a single comment here or there. the entire republican romney/ryan platform, the hot red rick, the makers versus takers language that we've seen from them. and this is really a gift for republicans, this gifts line because it allows them or gives them at least a first step to try and turn the age on the campaign. >> melissa, it's not only former governor romney that seems to be in denial, some of the more renowned or influential republicans are in denial. when you look at the gop chairman rather of maine who worried about voter fraud because dozens of black people voted, let me show you what he said. >> in some parts of the state, for example, in some parts of rural maine, there were dozens, dozens of black people who came and voted election day. everybody has the right to vote. but nobody in town knows anybody that's black. how did it happen? i don't know. we're going to find out. >> i'm sorry. >> he then went ahead to explain why he said this. watch his expla
it's consistent with paul ryan's 30% comment. it's consistent not just a single comment here or there. the entire republican romney/ryan platform, the hot red rick, the makers versus takers language that we've seen from them. and this is really a gift for republicans, this gifts line because it allows them or gives them at least a first step to try and turn the age on the campaign. >> melissa, it's not only former governor romney that seems to be in denial, some of the more renowned or...
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paul ryan is a policy -- >> i take that as a great compliment from john. i've been one of the house policy wonks. my role is to continue to be a champion of ideas. >> conservative blogger eric erickson is among those who think ryan should step up. he wrote in his influential blog, quote, john boehner has been willing to throw his conference under the bus repeatedly. house republicans should think very carefully if the faux tan face of john boehner is the face they want for their party the next two years. they should consider paul ryan as their speaker. that is ideological shots fired, if you will. and finally in a few minutes we do expect to hear from which party maine senator elect angus king will caucus with. interestingly enough we know of no one-on-one meetings. this is exactly what everyone has assumed the entire time that he will caucus with the democrats. >>> all right, general petraeus' replacement at the cia mike morell met tuesday. he'll speak with counterparts on the house side today about the scandals, the national security implications, why co
paul ryan is a policy -- >> i take that as a great compliment from john. i've been one of the house policy wonks. my role is to continue to be a champion of ideas. >> conservative blogger eric erickson is among those who think ryan should step up. he wrote in his influential blog, quote, john boehner has been willing to throw his conference under the bus repeatedly. house republicans should think very carefully if the faux tan face of john boehner is the face they want for their...
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you have to ask beyond paul ryan, who received quite a bit of coverage regarding his ill-fitting suit or body fat. >> immediately sent him to the tailor to take in his suits. danny, is there a sense of why this is happening? is this just a general societal change? is it because there are more women out there? is there a bit of a hillary clinton effect? what's going on, do you think? >> i think there's some truth in all of that. a couple things we point out in the research is attitudes about women's place in society have been changing over the last few decades to the point now that relatively few americans, for example, view women as less emotionally suited for politics than they used to. but another big part of the change is simply the changes in the party polarization. that is, today in american politics is parties have ideologically moved apart. as voters have become more concerned with issues and ideological differences between the parties that has made the gender running for office less salient. for most voters it doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman. what matters is republican
you have to ask beyond paul ryan, who received quite a bit of coverage regarding his ill-fitting suit or body fat. >> immediately sent him to the tailor to take in his suits. danny, is there a sense of why this is happening? is this just a general societal change? is it because there are more women out there? is there a bit of a hillary clinton effect? what's going on, do you think? >> i think there's some truth in all of that. a couple things we point out in the research is...
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folks, compromise does not mean giving republicans everything they want and you know that paul ryan is going to be greedy when he comes to the table. the most important poll was taken on november 6th. the americans are on board for higher taxes for the wealthiest americans. labor groups have take on to the air waves to address the democratic lawmakers who are making the deal. >> how do we move our country forward? by creating jobs and growing our economy. not by cutting programs that families rely on most. we need senator mccaskill to continue to stand up for us. we need senators bennett and udall to stand up for us. we need senators warner and webb to continue to stand up for us by investing in job creation, extending the middle class tax cuts and protecting medicare and medicaid and education from cuts. because for working families, it's all about putting americans back to work. not cutting the things we rely on most. >> this is just one part of the campaign to strengthen and support the middle class in this country. on a conference call last week, president obama made a direct perso
folks, compromise does not mean giving republicans everything they want and you know that paul ryan is going to be greedy when he comes to the table. the most important poll was taken on november 6th. the americans are on board for higher taxes for the wealthiest americans. labor groups have take on to the air waves to address the democratic lawmakers who are making the deal. >> how do we move our country forward? by creating jobs and growing our economy. not by cutting programs that...
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paul ryan lost his, janesville, wisconsin. how does that happen? you've got to be saying something wrong. >> mitt romney lost all of his hometowns. and there are many. there are many of them. mike allen, great to talk to you. thanks so much. >> see you soon. >> we'll see you. >>> "new york times" magazine mark leibovich and peter alexander join us next. more "morning joe" in a moment. anncr: some politicians seem to think medicare and... social security are just numbers in a budget. well, we worked hard for those benefits. we earned them. and if washington tries to cram decisions about the future... of these programs into a last minute budget deal... we'll all pay the price. aarp is fighting to protect seniors with responsible... solutions that strengthen medicare and... social security for generations to come. we can do better than a last minute deal... that would hurt all of us. sven gets great rewards for his small business! how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day!
paul ryan lost his, janesville, wisconsin. how does that happen? you've got to be saying something wrong. >> mitt romney lost all of his hometowns. and there are many. there are many of them. mike allen, great to talk to you. thanks so much. >> see you soon. >> we'll see you. >>> "new york times" magazine mark leibovich and peter alexander join us next. more "morning joe" in a moment. anncr: some politicians seem to think medicare and... social...
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congressman paul ryan begins his day in colorado before flying back to the midwest for a rally in cedar falls, iowa. then he joins romney in westchester in ohio tonight. then there's former president bill clinton for the fifth player in all of this if you will and look at his schedule today in florida. he goes to lake worth, then ft. myers, then st. petersburg, then tallahassee. he's got five events in total today in florida. and you know the way he talks. talk about a hoarse voice by the end of the day it will be interesting to see where his voice is by 8:00 tonight. in the frenetic final days both candidates are giving positive pitches and warnings as to what will happen if the other guy is voted in. and bolder last night the president argued for another four years. >> after four years as president, you know me by now. you know me. you may not agree with every decision that i've made. you may be frustrated at the pace change. i always remind people that when we did the auto bail out only 10% of the country approved of it. >> and then the president argued romney is a candidate who can'
congressman paul ryan begins his day in colorado before flying back to the midwest for a rally in cedar falls, iowa. then he joins romney in westchester in ohio tonight. then there's former president bill clinton for the fifth player in all of this if you will and look at his schedule today in florida. he goes to lake worth, then ft. myers, then st. petersburg, then tallahassee. he's got five events in total today in florida. and you know the way he talks. talk about a hoarse voice by the end...
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.í♪ sometimes you win ♪ ♪ sometimes you lose ♪r >>> i want to thank paul ryan done and for our country. besides my wife ann, p. trust that his intellect and his hard work and his commitment to principle will continue to contribute to the good of our nation. >> i thank my friend and partner of the last four america's happy best vice president anybody could hope for, joe biden!. 29 past the hour. a stion m studio 8h inj2 rockefeller center. by the way, look who's here. this is huge. >> joining nous ój andrea former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele. and msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at democratic congressman harold ford jr. and host of "mad money"nu on cnbc jim cramer. >> and by the way,a ming. andrea mitchell came up to me mika spoken like aieve that for you must win florida and north carolina. >> so how awe? >> i don't think that's true but i'm going to talk lawyerwyers. but thanink that's supporting. >> i think when axelrod on thursday we ought to try and nego new era of oa bipartisanship has begun -- >> yes. could use your diate. >> i dou
.í♪ sometimes you win ♪ ♪ sometimes you lose ♪r >>> i want to thank paul ryan done and for our country. besides my wife ann, p. trust that his intellect and his hard work and his commitment to principle will continue to contribute to the good of our nation. >> i thank my friend and partner of the last four america's happy best vice president anybody could hope for, joe biden!. 29 past the hour. a stion m studio 8h inj2 rockefeller center. by the way, look who's here....
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. >> he's an ally of paul ryan and sits -- if you look at where he sits along -- >> interesting. >> and he's a former pollster. >> i'm not being critical of tom cole. >> i know you're not. having the guts but as a guy that abhors raising taxes, if we're going to raise taxes, i say we raise taxes after we get the other side agreeing they'll save medicare. that they'll save medicaid and social security. that they're going to cut discretionary spending. you know, i will pay more taxes and americans will pay more taxes but not just so they can cop out like so many governors do and not make tough cuts. >> i talked to really severe republicans in the south and alabama and arkansas and they say the same thing and say we're prepared to do that but not unless there's some significant cuts on the other side but they are. talking about the fact they really are -- they're prepared to raise revenue. >> if you give washington money is my opinion and give washington money with no strings attached they will not only spend that money. they will create new programs that will not only spend that money but
. >> he's an ally of paul ryan and sits -- if you look at where he sits along -- >> interesting. >> and he's a former pollster. >> i'm not being critical of tom cole. >> i know you're not. having the guts but as a guy that abhors raising taxes, if we're going to raise taxes, i say we raise taxes after we get the other side agreeing they'll save medicare. that they'll save medicaid and social security. that they're going to cut discretionary spending. you know, i...
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the first came earlier in the week when romney's former running mate paul ryan placed the blame on democrats in urban areas. >> the surprise was some of the turnout. some of the turnout especially in urban areas which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> never mind the fact that he and mitt romney can also count largely rural states among those they lost. because we all know who ryan was really talking about when he mentioned those urban areas. mitt romney clarified that on his conference call the very next day. now, of course, romney was only resurrecting an old narrative he introduced on that other recording. the story of the makers and the takers where he is the champion of the hard working majority and the rest, the 47% are looking to president obama to give them an unearned handout. you see, that's something about bedtime stories and fairy tales. they're full of lovely lies, lies we tell ourselves to try and understand the harsh reality. for mitt romney and republicans that reality is this, it's not them. it's you. instead of asking themselves yls obama wo
the first came earlier in the week when romney's former running mate paul ryan placed the blame on democrats in urban areas. >> the surprise was some of the turnout. some of the turnout especially in urban areas which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> never mind the fact that he and mitt romney can also count largely rural states among those they lost. because we all know who ryan was really talking about when he mentioned those urban areas. mitt...
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ryan would not. so i give you great respect for the courage you've shown in the past. but if we're just going to talk this way and sort of stake out our positions on our side, we should probably move on to afghanistan or another issue. >> joe, let me be specific. what we did in simpson/bowles was to set targets for savings in this health care programs, and we must do it. and then sit down and say what are the changes we can make within the programs that don't challenge their integrity but basically reduce their costs. and we can do those. it was a long list in simpson/bowles. there were 20 options given to us. and there were many things i could support. but to sit here and tick off the two or three that would be the easy parts, i don't think it is going to be that simple. i think we've got to be able to attack the entitlement programs, but do it in a sensible way that doesn't destroy them. >> okay. we hope both sides can do that. eugene robinson, you write in "washington post" today about breaking gr
ryan would not. so i give you great respect for the courage you've shown in the past. but if we're just going to talk this way and sort of stake out our positions on our side, we should probably move on to afghanistan or another issue. >> joe, let me be specific. what we did in simpson/bowles was to set targets for savings in this health care programs, and we must do it. and then sit down and say what are the changes we can make within the programs that don't challenge their integrity but...
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so apparently the whole paul ryan is the devil thing didn't latch on. but what do we do now to keep medicare -- you know, you watch the show. we talk about it all the time. how do we make medicare stronger? how do we keep it going? how do we stop it from bankrupting? >> so i think that there are, as we go forward, there are going to have to be two things that people do. the first thing is we are going to have to reduce our medicare spending. and at the center for american progress, we put out a report two weeks ago, just after the election, about how to get $385 billion saved. i think that has helped explain where the cuts would come from. >> is it all on the providers side or is some of it on the beneficiary side? >> some of it's on the beneficiary side because we do want to have wealthier medicare recipients pay more for their part "b" benefits. but i think separate from that, we also need to think about changing the system. and i would say each player needs to change. first, on the doctor side, we definitely -- or the hospital side. we definitely nee
so apparently the whole paul ryan is the devil thing didn't latch on. but what do we do now to keep medicare -- you know, you watch the show. we talk about it all the time. how do we make medicare stronger? how do we keep it going? how do we stop it from bankrupting? >> so i think that there are, as we go forward, there are going to have to be two things that people do. the first thing is we are going to have to reduce our medicare spending. and at the center for american progress, we put...
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democrats will say that's the paul ryan precedent, that in his medicare plan, the vast majority of all changes take place a decade from now. so republicans are going to have to swallow a tax increase today for medicare cuts on a faraway tomorrow. and as far as what those tax cuts look like, there's going to be a tax rate increase, certainly in the short term. and if you just look at the -- there's an article you can link to our piece today, just look at the top 20 loopholes in deductions. and it shows that it's virtually impossible to close or change any of the most expensive ones. so you're probably going to end up with some kind of total cap on deductions or some sort of alternative minimum tax rate for rich people. so you can jack up the amount of revenue that you're getting for people making over $250,000 or $500,000, whatever the end number is. but again, if you listen to the rhetoric on camera, it sounds like well, there's no way there will be a deal. if you talk to people who have been in the room, they say calm down. it's going to be ugly, but we think we can eventually get the
democrats will say that's the paul ryan precedent, that in his medicare plan, the vast majority of all changes take place a decade from now. so republicans are going to have to swallow a tax increase today for medicare cuts on a faraway tomorrow. and as far as what those tax cuts look like, there's going to be a tax rate increase, certainly in the short term. and if you just look at the -- there's an article you can link to our piece today, just look at the top 20 loopholes in deductions. and...